Lisa Coleman Musician
Lisa Coleman is a musician and composer who plays piano and keyboards and she was a member of Prince’s band ‘The Revolution’ from 1980 to 1986. She is one half of the incredible musical duo Wendy and Lisa, formed with Wendy Melvoin.
She was 19 years old when she auditioned and was hired as a part of Prince’s backing group in 1980, for his Dirty Mind album and tour. Lisa played keyboards for Prince on his Controversy and 1999 albums and the three albums as a member of The Revolution, which were Purple Rain, Around The World In a Day, and Parade.
Shortly after the completion of Prince and The Revolution’s Parade project, Lisa and Wendy started their own journey and under the Wendy and Lisa musical partnership. They released five full-length albums.
Today, Lisa and Wendy continue to work together as film and television composers and have provided the musical scores for television shows including Crossing Jordan, Heroes, Nurse Jackie (which won them an Emmy for Outstanding main title theme), Prime Suspect, No Tomorrow, Witches of East End, Shades of Blue, and Touch which they were nominated for an Emmy. She is currently working on a new show called The Hospital, an adult animated sci-fi comedy from Maya Rudolph and Natasha Lyonne’s Animal Pictures.
Lisa, along with Wendy also shares the honor of winning a Grammy and Oscar for being part of The Revolution as Purple Rain won two Grammys and the Oscar for Best Original Score. She also received the inaugural ASCAP Shirley Walker award with Wendy in 2014, which honors those whose achievements have contributed to the diversity of Film and Television Music.
She recently self-released her first solo instrumental album titled Collage. And incidentally, she also created the theme music for this, the music on my podcast.
Fruit at the Bottom – and about that intro (3:38)
Maya Rudolph, The Hospital and Gameboy sounds (12:03)
Synthesizer Nerd (18:14)
The thrill of being on stage (21:47)
A gift from God. And touring with The Revolution (23:53)
Prince. A big chunk of my life, gone. (26:01)
We were not pop tarts (30:19)
Lisa plays something (36:02)
So what is it about Wendy…? (41:33)
What we fight about (44:18)
What don’t people know about Lisa? (51:40)
America, America, the Wild West (54:04)
And finally – Lisa…I’m that…?! (1:04:08)
Edited Transcription with typos – sorry:
Lisa Coleman 02:38
Hello. Hello. Hi. Hi, Ooh, what was that? I just bumped into my keyboard.
Eitan Chitayat 02:51
That was a little Lisa, keyboard farty. You look great.
Lisa Coleman 02:57
Thanks. I just just got out of bed. What are you having coffee? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Did you see what I put up there? Ah, yes. Who are those young girls. I love that album cover. Yeah, that’s a good one. That was Nick Egan. Yeah, he was the art director.
Eitan Chitayat 03:20
I’m not kidding, I still listen to that album on a regular basis. And there’s a few albums that I really, you know, we all have our, I’d say top top 10 Kind of like soundtrack to my life albums. And of all of yours, that’s the one for some reason for me. Just love it.
Lisa Coleman 03:38
Cool. It’s probably the most like cohesive of our albums. I don’t know. Like, it has a sound. You know, like our other albums kind of float around. And one song sounds like this. You know, they sound like that I haven’t. But I don’t know Fruit at the Bottom is our kind of like, kind of has a sound to it. Real funky stuff. You know?
Eitan Chitayat 03:44
How so? It’s a great album. And it’s, it’s an album. I can’t listen to a song or two or three, I have to listen to the whole thing. Like even on vinyl. I listen to one side and then I flip it over and I listen to the next one. It’s that good. I do have to ask you one thing I’ve always wanted to know. And I’ve never found it anywhere. And I’ve never like I’m not like Wendy and Lisa interview junkie where I go everywhere to find snippets and knowledge. But since I know you I’m going to ask you. The opening to the album. That intro I think is probably the best intro I’ve ever heard to an album. And it always gets me and it always gives me goosebumps and it’s not because I know you and it’s not because I love you and Wendy and all that stuff. It just like an amazing opening to an album. What was that? What did you do? Like what is that whole idea behind the opening with the kids giggling and you guys playing whatever that is, you know? And then the one that bit that thing. It’s amazing. Hasn’t anyone ever? I’m sure lots of people have told you that right?
Lisa Coleman 05:14
No, no, not really.
Eitan Chitayat 05:18
The whole opening, when I put that album on, it’s like, I look forward to that. Can you tell me, I’ve just always wanted to know, how did that happen?
Lisa Coleman 05:27
Well, yeah, that’s just us, creating something with Susan Rogers, she was really in there with us. And we just loved making little segways and little, you know, interesting things, because we wanted to take you into a place you know, like, these are the people making this music are like these silly people, you know, made up out of found objects and things like that, that are just kind of sonically interesting. So, you know, it’s kind of like making a video, but with sound.
Eitan Chitayat 06:04
Maybe it’s going to destroy the myth in my head. But like, I always think it’s you guys kind of laughing and giggling, but is it as adults? Or because it sounds like you’re children? That sounds like you’re girls playing around and playing? But was that in the studio?
Lisa Coleman 06:19
Yeah, it was in the studio. Yeah, we are children.
Eitan Chitayat 06:26
I mean, I’m looking at the album cover. Look at Wendy is such a badass on that. Like, come on. Like, let’s have it. And you’re like, just delightful. As you are hanging out, hanging out. It’s just such an amazing album. And that opening is um… I might actually just right now, here it is.
Eitan Chitayat 07:56
So here we are, wow, I can’t believe I’m seeing you. It’s been so long. It’s been at least a year and a half, two years.
Lisa Coleman 08:05
How is that possible?
Eitan Chitayat 08:06
Yeah, I think the last time was She’s That Woman. When we did that. We did a video together. And we worked on it. And I think since then we didn’t really besides text messages and lots of pictures that we send each other. And we haven’t really done this. So how are you doing? What’s going on? And yes, we’ve started officially, I mean, we started a while ago, but I guess we just we just got into it. So fuck it.
Lisa Coleman 08:28
So what’s going on? I don’t know, just working, working and waiting. I’ve been working on this show for Netflix called Firefly Lane. And it’s going well, but it’s going kind of slowly. So it’s been dragging me a little bit crazy. Because it’s like, you know, you go to work for a few days and work on the score and finish it deliver it and then you don’t hear anything for five days. Which is unusual. It’s usually you hear back the next day you get notes or whatever, and you’re back in doing whatever little adjustments that they might want. And then it’s the next episode. But the season has been really slow.
Eitan Chitayat 09:10
Is there any reason?
Lisa Coleman 09:11
I don’t know why I’m wondering if COVID has been playing jokes on everybody. Because, you know, everybody’s still getting it. And it affects production, and then they have to take time off and or find somebody to fill that hole. And I don’t know if that’s what’s going on. But something’s going on.
Eitan Chitayat 09:34
Well, how many how many episodes are there?
Lisa Coleman 09:37
This is the second season so they have 16 episodes. And we’ve done 10 but it’s taken like three months. Usually you do 10 in 10 weeks?
Eitan Chitayat 09:51
Wow, they’re so strict also with everything that goes on with production right now. There are lots of delays. I mean, at least here in Israel there were with COVID when it was really crazy, but now I think there’s is a resurgence also in the States right now?
Lisa Coleman 10:07
Yeah, it’s rising again. And they’re talking about going back to masks the mask mandate. And you know, so we’re, you know, I never really took off my mask, because it just wasn’t time yet. I can just tell. You know, and then people around me are getting it all the time. And I’ve been like, so lucky. I avoided it somehow.
Eitan Chitayat 10:34
Your whole family had it right now, like a week ago or two? Was it?
Lisa Coleman 10:38
Yeah, that’s two weeks ago, my family had it. And I was taking care of them and sleeping in a separate room because they had it. They could have the house. I was the one who had to isolate.
Eitan Chitayat 10:49
Do they have like, were they sick? Or do they just have?
Lisa Coleman 10:52
Well, my daughter wasn’t so bad, but my wife was really sick. And it’s taken her a while to get over it. She’s still like, fatigued and you know, just not feeling good. So it’s, you know, it’s just it’s a plague.
Eitan Chitayat 11:08
Yeah, my wife and I, my oldest kid we haven’t gotten it but my youngest got it. We kept our distance and but we didn’t get it. So but it’s rising here in Tel Aviv and in Israel again. Are you working on anything else right now?
Lisa Coleman 11:23
Um, yeah, I mean, there’s another show. That’s, that’s imminent. It’s called Cruel Summer. We’re gonna get busy on that pretty soon. And then the thing I’m most excited about right now is your muscles.
Eitan Chitayat 11:38
Oh, it’s hot in here. So I had to. I feel I feel comfortable enough to take off my shirt right now with you. But like, No, I’m it’s boiling in here. And the doors closed because they don’t want the kids to wake up. But yeah, um, the muscles are gone. Just it’s hot right now in Israel. So. But anyway, apart from my muscles, what is going on?
Lisa Coleman 12:03
Okay, so there’s this cartoon, it’s, it’s an adult cartoon. It’s called The Hospital. And it’s really hilarious and so much fun. And the music is just like, it’s not all electronic. But it’s like, really fun sounds that like eight-bit sounds. And, you know, I’m using a Gameboy for some of the sounds.
Eitan Chitayat 12:28
It’s like, it’s for adults?
Lisa Coleman 12:30
Yeah, it’s an adult story. It’s, you know, I mean, it’s funny and there’s a lot of crazy characters, you know, that are like larva and, you know, aliens.
Eitan Chitayat 12:45
It’s right up your alley. Lisa. Write up your weird, weird alley. Bizarre Lisa alley.
Lisa Coleman 12:53
Exactly, it’s right up my alley. And I’m so excited. So you have to keep an eye out for that on.
Eitan Chitayat 12:59
It’s called The Hospital? Anyone that we might know who’s behind it?
Lisa Coleman 13:06
Actually, it’s Maya Rudolph and Natasha Leon’s company and they’re doing some of the voices. And yeah.
Eitan Chitayat 13:19
Wait a second. She’s, you guys are buddies. I remember you went on a trip to New York. This was your COVID trip when you and Wendy and we were talking you like we’re going to New York for some, it was a bash or some party with Maya?
Lisa Coleman 13:36
That’s right. It was Saturday Night Live. Yeah, she invited us and it was crazy because it was right in the middle of the worst COVID sort of outbreak everywhere. And we decided to take this trip but luckily being pals with Maya she had the private jet.
Eitan Chitayat 13:56
That’s what it was. That’s what it was. You had the private jet and you guys were going crazy. We’re going to do I think you’ve video conference me from the airport parking lot or something. That’s what I remember.
Lisa Coleman 14:06
Yeah, it was so funny. I mean, it was just living large you know all the PJ private jet.
Eitan Chitayat 14:14
But you know what, like, you look at you guys from the outside like I’m probably not true, but like that, kind of like that rock and roll lifestyle and private jets and everything. But does that like not happen that much anymore? Or? I mean, I don’t know.
Lisa Coleman 14:27
No, doesn’t happen that much. I wish it did. It’s really fun.
Eitan Chitayat 14:31
If I had a private jet, Lisa, you guys would be on it and on your way to Tel Aviv right now.
Lisa Coleman 14:41
I’ve never been there.
Eitan Chitayat 14:43
Well, people don’t know much about Tel Aviv. So hopefully when you share this with your peeps, it’s the greatest city in the world. I have lived in so many cities and countries and there’s just something about Tel Aviv. I’m dying for you to come here. I my fantasy is for you… for First of all, obviously he’s Jewish. Right? And so is, Matt. So they must have been here.
Lisa Coleman 15:05
Right. You know, I don’t? I don’t know. I don’t think they have.
Eitan Chitayat 15:10
That I don’t understand. So you guys have to come here. And you have to play in a little club. And we have to make that happen. That is one of my missions in life is to bring you here.
Lisa Coleman 15:20
Get to work on that private jet.
Eitan Chitayat 15:22
Yeah, I don’t know about the private jet. Maybe economy plus.
Lisa Coleman 15:28
Yeah, comfort zone, something.
Eitan Chitayat 15:31
Alright, so we’ll get back. So we’re getting back to, to Maya. So you’ve got this incredible show. And it’s already started, or it’s starting soon.
Lisa Coleman 15:38
It’s starting soon. We’ve done a little bit of music, and I’ve read all the scripts, and they’re great. They’re funny. I’m looking forward to it a lot. All I can say.
Eitan Chitayat 15:50
So you did Collage? Which I love. It’s your solo album of you just playing the piano. Sublime is the word. It’s very you. And I listen to it. It calms me down. Like when I’m like, Ah, you know, just like put it on. But are you working on anything else right now? Like, like personal music? Do you have time to have bandwidth? Are you and Wendy doing anything? Like, don’t people ask you all the time?
Lisa Coleman 16:14
Yeah, pretty much. Wendy and I keep making plans, like, let’s, because of the show has been going so slow. It’s like, why haven’t we taken advantage of this time and just written music. And so we keep planning like, Okay, let’s go in tomorrow and just start writing. And then, you know, almost like clockwork, the show will call and say we work tomorrow. So we haven’t actually done anything. I’ve been doing those things in my studio here at home. And I hoped to do a second Collage release sooner than later. So that’s something that I’ve been working on, it might be a little bit different this time, because, because of all the fun I’m having with electronics, so there might be a little more of an electronic edge.
Eitan Chitayat 17:05
So what fun are you having with electronics right now? Like, what do you what are you experimenting with?
Lisa Coleman 17:10
Well, I got this connection thing that I can, like I told you about, I can use my Gameboy now as a MIDI instrument. And I have a lot of Game Boys. And they all have kind of very unique sounds. And, you know, here’s the Gameboy. And it’s just all these cuckoo wires that Ethan it’s crazy. People have gone crazy. They’re all electronic wizards out there that are making it so you can play your vacuum clear. You know, I mean, it’s crazy.
Eitan Chitayat 17:47
You just kinda like it’s overlays with piano is that kind of like the idea or…
Lisa Coleman 17:52
Yeah, like you make, I usually make like background environments. And then I play the piano over it. So that’s kind of my concept. And I also have all these great synthesizers here.
Eitan Chitayat 18:07
Yeah, I mean, no one’s gonna really see because I don’t usually do video, but like, Lisa has got a couple of really cool synthesizers behind her.
Lisa Coleman 18:14
Yeah, yeah. Prophet 10. Which is like such a cool thing. It’s there. The newest Prophet.
Eitan Chitayat 18:23
Isn’t that what you did that little controversy? Kind of?
Lisa Coleman 18:26
No, that’s the news.
Eitan Chitayat 18:28
Oh, that was I get confused. You know, like, what do I know? I don’t even play.
Lisa Coleman 18:34
No, the new Oberheim is is fantastic. And I’ll be getting one of those. But they, they sent one over for me to play around with and see if I liked it. And of course, I mean, I love it. It’s a lot like the Prophet, the Prophet combined a few different Prophets within this new Prophet 10. And the new Oberheim combines the OB XA, the OB SX and OB H, I think, all in one keyboard. So you can like scroll and select. And it’s all the sounds that I ever used with Prince. I mean, it’s because we used to Oberheim. You know, every year, we’d get the new model full round fine, cools presets, and then program a little bit and, you know, and so this keyboard came out, and it’s like, it’s a dream come true. It’s got all the sounds in it. And you can edit fairly easily. And it’s all analog, and it’s just a dream for all of us geeks. Do they just send it to you, for you to experiment with because what is your relationship with these companies that make these instruments, like why you? Well, I had to approach them actually, because they exist because the Oberheim thing especially was they haven’t made an Oberheim in 30 years.
Eitan Chitayat 19:57
Oh, wow. Okay, so I didn’t know that. Okay, now I know that makes sense then. Okay. It’s coming together. Lisa. It’s coming together now.
Lisa Coleman 20:06
I understand. I know I just start talking like everybody knows.
Eitan Chitayat 20:09
That’s crazy. And this is what you were making all your music with, with Prince back in the day with with the same machine. So this is very nostalgic for you.
Lisa Coleman 20:10
Yeah. So I was in touch with them and saying, you know, you got it, you know, when you think Oberheim, don’t you think of Dr. Fink and Lisa, and you know, people from 80’s and that kind of thing? And they’re like, yeah, definitely. I mean, would you give us a quote or something? Or, you know, make a video. And so I said, I would do everything for you, whatever you want me to do? I’ll do it. Let me in. And what did they make you do to get one? Well, I have to give them a quote. Something about how I partied like it was 1999 on Oberheim. You know, something cheesy like that.
Eitan Chitayat 20:58
Cheesy, but true. Cheesy but true.
Lisa Coleman 21:00
Cheesy, but true. That’s right. It’s absolutely true. And it’s a little bit of history since history.
Eitan Chitayat 21:09
So I actually have to ask you, because I’ve like over here on the, you know, like, we’re talking that I’m completely off script, like I have a whole bunch of questions. Again, it’s really weird, because you, you’re my buddy. So it’s hard for me to just like, do the interview thing. But you just brought up Prince, and I want to talk about you more than I want to talk about Prince. And you know how much I love Prince’s music. I wanted to ask. And I know you’ve talked about it before and endlessly probably with so many people, but like, you were friends for a long time. And I’m just wondering, What do you miss most about working with? Not just Prince but Prince and The Revolution?
Lisa Coleman 21:47
You know, I miss the whole thing. When I think about it, I really enjoyed the traveling and you know, I like a good hotel and room service. I miss playing live to those giant crowds. Yeah, that’s such a rush. I mean, I didn’t miss it for a long time. I was okay. Like, okay, I did that that was something else. But now after all these years, when I think about it, it’s like that, you know, and I go to some other people’s shows sometimes. And I just like know, how they feel up there on stage. And, you know, it’s kind of like, oh, yeah, that’s such a rush. You know, sometimes I miss doing that. And just having that, I don’t know how to explain it. It’s like being on a thrill ride. You know, I mean, people are screaming at you, but you kind of feel like screaming back at them. On the inside, you just, oh, I’m on a roller coaster. And they loved you so much. They did. In the end, it was, you know, we really like made it. It was victory because we, you know, struggled through some screaming at us because they didn’t like us current routines. So it was an amazing breakthrough to finally play a big crowd and they’re actually loving you. So that was great.
Eitan Chitayat 23:13
And the funny thing is, I think they still love you. But like, in a big way. They’re like, you know, when Prince passed and you guys went out on the road again, I mean, I know that it was you’ve talked about it being a healing process, you know, and you wanted to help people through their grief and for yourselves as well. But even I was following that from, you know, little Tel Aviv here in Israel, and just following what was actually happening with what people called The Purple Family around America. And it was really moving. It was really moving to see the expression of love. And that I imagined, or I guess I’m asking, how did that feel for you?
Lisa Coleman 23:53
That was a gift from God. Literally, it was so beautiful to return to something all these years later. And it was and to find out that how much we shared with these people. It was incredible. I mean, they were coming to the gigs. I mean, it was almost like we shared those gigs. It wasn’t like we were just putting on a show or someone they were paying to come and see us. It was like we were meeting in this place to share these things that we shared in the past and people came with their old albums and like, I got everybody but your signature back in 19, whatever. You sign this for me now I finally got it complete. Things like that were happening. People crying and you know, and of course we’re feeling emotional, too. So it was really something I don’t think very many people get to experience something like that. I mean.
Eitan Chitayat 24:54
No like when you think of the greats that have passed, like I’ve never been able to move past The Revolution, like I love Prince, and I love him through all of his different phases, some more than others, and I love the New Power Generation but The Revolution is, it’s The Revolution, it’s, to me the best band in the world. And you came together with fans. And even though he wasn’t there, which is not as small, even though he wasn’t there, you know, because he was kind of everything. But watching from here, the kind of grief. But the joy was just a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful thing. And you felt it, and I’m telling you were there. I mean, you were playing in front of people, I’m telling you over here, just watching videos and reading about it, I really felt it. And that must have been amazing. Just to connect with them on that level, through all that sadness, something kind of good. Also, just a beautiful, beautiful thing. God, I miss him so much, I can’t even begin to imagine you.
Lisa Coleman 26:01
Yeah, it’s a big chunk of my life gone, and, you know, even like, things that I hoped for in the future. And, you know, you have to just take that away, you know, the hope of working with him again, or more, you know, I really felt like we would get old and funky and complain forever.
Eitan Chitayat 26:25
No doubt, you know, because you also get older. I mean, we all get older, and then things kind of I know, whatever shit people had in the past, if there was, you know, we just kind of like when you have these such strong bonds, which you guys clearly did, then at some stage, you know, based on what I see around me and a lot of people see around them with friends and with family, you know, you kind of like there’s a coming back together. And I remember that Wendy, I mean, I don’t know about you, but I remember that Wendy played with Prince acoustic on some show. And that kind of stood out to me, because I remember, it was at the Tavern Smiley show? Yeah. But did you ever play with him again?
Lisa Coleman 27:07
But just at his house, I never did any other any more gigs. Wendy did go and play with him at some gigs, which was lucky. I think it was easier to call, you know, Wendy to play the guitar than me to come and play the keyboards. I don’t know.
Eitan Chitayat 27:25
Just because he did it?
Lisa Coleman 27:27
Yeah, I don’t know. It’s even less of a logistical thing just to come in and plug your guitar in. I don’t know, I wasn’t as open to it. For a while there. I didn’t know how I fit in anymore kind of thing. And especially with keyboards, it’s less of a jam instrument, I guess.
Eitan Chitayat 27:49
Do you mean, how you fit in musically? Or how you fit in with him?
Lisa Coleman 27:54
With him. He, he would talk to me through Wendy a lot of the time. And always ask Wendy if I was, is Lisa down, he would say and I understood that to an extent. But then I was like, Well, come on. Why don’t you talk to me personally, you know, and, you know, am I down with what am I didn’t know what I was supposed to be down with? So I, I wouldn’t give like yeah, I’m down kind of answer. And be like, down with what? And then he would take that as a no, you know, so we played some kind of games in a, in a way for a while there. You know, and I guess, being young and, you know, sort of like, angry and righteous in silly ways.
Eitan Chitayat 28:45
Doesn’t sound from the side from everything that I’ve read, like, I don’t know, fucking love the guy to bits with his music, but I don’t know how I would have handled a relationship with the guy because he sounded like a pretty tough guy, man, you know, not the easiest cat.
Lisa Coleman 28:59
Yeah, well, that’s true. He wasn’t the easiest guy to get along with. And he could be really tough. So you know, I would get tough back. Always the way to be if you wanted to play with him, so.
Eitan Chitayat 29:14
You’re sitting down with a human being and he’s a human being. It’s also very, this whole obsession with Prince and the fans, you know, it’s like God like you know, the status and but yeah, he was a man and he had he definitely had his I guess, you know, his quirks and couldn’t have been easy, but because I want to move on from Prince because it’s funny, like, at least with me, I absolutely, people know me for in my circle at least like Prince, okay. Eitan, Prince. But they also know me for Wendy and Lisa. And the thing that always bugged me, and actually really still bothers me to this day is I always thought and I still think that you guys, on the whole, like, I think that you should be household names with the quality of the music and just you guys are just so amazing. You and Wendy together. What’s the reason that you think that you didn’t make it big? I don’t know, maybe you didn’t want to make it big? I don’t know, maybe you did. But like…
Lisa Coleman 30:19
Yeah, I mean, in the beginning we did want to make it big. And we kind of thought that that would happen, you know, and we had the song Waterfall that we thought, you know, everyone was like, Oh, that’s a hit song you guys are gonna make it big. It’s this is it. And, and it didn’t connect. And I’m not sure if it’s because we were the girls from Prince and Waterfall didn’t sound like a Prince song. It was more like a rocker, you know, poppy rocker. And maybe that threw people, like they weren’t expecting that to come from purple people, you know, but it did. And then it just seemed to go like that, you know, with each album. And we had trouble with record companies, because they were also like, aren’t you Prince 2.0? And we were like, well, yeah, but no. I mean, we are Wendy and Lisa. I don’t know, they they wanted us to do. The record company would set up photo sessions for this and things like that. And they were just awful, you know, with motorcycles and furs and things that just we weren’t. No, I don’t think you understand. It’s not, that doesn’t match. And so we might have screwed ourselves a little bit.
Eitan Chitayat 31:53
I’m sitting here and I’m smiling. But like, it’s not funny. It’s not funny for two incredible musicians. And your I don’t think, you know, the people that know, you know, this, but like, you’re an incredible talent. And Wendy just at another level. It really just sucks to hear that. You know, it really sucks to hear that because great, I mean, I’ve got the album, you know, Fruit at the Bottom. And you guys look amazing on it. But it’s a great album, you know, in terms of just like, what you manage to create together collectively, it’s as far as I’m concerned, a masterpiece, and to not get that recognition it kills me. In the moment when you were meeting with these people, and they’re basically telling you to be who you weren’t. And as women like because also when you listen to some of the lyrics on the album, like they’re almost the sung some of the songs, you know, sung about men like and I know that you are openly gay. And you were with Wendy, I believe you are with Wendy at the time, right? And yet, was that something that you wanted to be open about? Or the world wasn’t ready then? Or they said, No, you mustn’t. I mean, that just feels sort of oppressive. The whole thing.
Lisa Coleman 33:05
Yeah, it was a little, there was a little bit of homophobia going on. And, you know, and that was never a fight for us. We didn’t, we weren’t activists, we were musicians, you know, we didn’t want to suddenly fight for our, for gay people. Or, you know, because especially with Prince, it was just presented. I mean, it was just here, these people, we didn’t have to make definitions and slide into categories. I mean, even with Prince that was a problem with some of the records we put out and they didn’t know what, you know, radio station to play it on, and things like that. But it was really devastating in a way to not have these record company people understand what we were doing, and that we weren’t just pop tarts. You know, they really wanted us to be pop tarts and already know your place.
Eitan Chitayat 34:06
I can’t imagine anyone like talking I mean, just knowing you a little bit and also Wendy, be this and she’s like fuck off, no. But I guess you had to play ball a little bit at the beginning. I know that you did for a little bit for a minute. Until you started to just say well fuck this and I’m so glad that you did. But like, I know that I don’t just speak for me when I say how in awe I am of your talents. And still what you put out anything that you do. It’s just like for me, I’m just blown away. You’re amazing.
Lisa Coleman 34:39
Eitan Chitayat 34:41
You know I mean it. So I’m going back into interview mode because….
Lisa Coleman 34:48
I know we’re doing a podcast here…
Eitan Chitayat 34:50
We are. We are I’m just like I’m sucking at it. I’m just blowing um, I have a really a question that I always wanted to ask you. So I’m going to ask you, what is your favorite or a couple of your favorite Wendy and Lisa songs? And why?
Lisa Coleman 35:02
Oh, wow. That’s such a good question.
Eitan Chitayat 35:06
Plenty more where they came from baby.
Lisa Coleman 35:11
Cause they come and go, you know, in my head, and then they’re all my little special children. But what came to mind first was Staring at the Sun.
Eitan Chitayat 35:22
Staring at the Sun. Yeah, Fruit at the Bottom, last song, right?
Lisa Coleman 35:30
I don’t even know what album it’s on.
Eitan Chitayat 35:34
No, Fruit at the Bottom. No, it’s Eroica.
Lisa Coleman 35:38
Oh it’s Eroica.I know what I like on Fruit at the Bottom. December. Because it’s a piano song. Because it’s fun to play on the piano.
Eitan Chitayat 35:50
Can you play it right now?
Lisa Coleman 35:52
No, I don’t have a piano in front of me.
Eitan Chitayat 35:55
You don’t? Didn’t you like bump into a little key over there.
Lisa Coleman 35:59
Yeah, but it’s a synthesizer.
Eitan Chitayat 36:01
We don’t care.
Lisa Coleman 36:02
I could play Staring at the Sun.
Eitan Chitayat 36:20
You’re gonna make me cry.
Lisa Coleman 36:27
Yeah, Staring into the Sun. It’s fun to play. Fun to sing. I like that line about the I’m not afraid of the big bad wolf. That was a good line in there.
Eitan Chitayat 37:37
I have a question for you actually. What’s, um, This is The Life about from your first album, I’ve always wanted to know.
Lisa Coleman 37:45
Well, that was co written with my friend Chris Bell. She co wrote a few songs with us. And This is The Life is pretty much about being a musician and trying to make it work and trying to be honest, in your songs and in your life. And kind of, you know, I mean, it sounds a little bit like in the song that you’re beaten by what’s going on. But in the end, it’s it’s actually a song of acceptance. This is the life and this is my life. And you have to accept the punches along with all the hugs. And that’s pretty much all it’s about.
Eitan Chitayat 38:15
I think it’s one of my favorite songs and Bowl of Cherries. I’ve got a bowl of that time. Yeah, that’s you right? That’s such a you song. I’ve got a big bowl of cherries and I eat them one by one. I love that song.
Lisa Coleman 38:59
It’s the truth.
Eitan Chitayat 39:32
Sorry, so I let you say one of your favorite songs and then I gave you two of mine but like give me one more.
Lisa Coleman 39:39
One more. How about Are You My Baby? Again, I’m just picking this ones that I liked the keyboard parts.
Eitan Chitayat 39:48
I mean, that’s a great song.
Lisa Coleman 39:50
I like the sound of it. You know, it’s like sounds really little and the drums are like really small…
Eitan Chitayat 39:56
And that bass..
Lisa Coleman 40:47
Oh my god. Wendy is such a good bass player.
Eitan Chitayat 40:51
That was Wendy? Wendy was playing that because I you know, I’m well, I’m just used to seeing the video with a guy with a bandana I don’t know who he was, but oh yeah, Allen Allen right. But yeah, so I’m like, of course was that guy but no it was Wendy.
Lisa Coleman 41:03
Yeah. And that was Wendy. She plays on all the records. Yeah, she’s an incredible bass player.
Eitan Chitayat 41:09
She’s an incredible everything.
Lisa Coleman 41:11
Yeah, she is.
Eitan Chitayat 41:13
What is it about Wendy? What’s the most amazing thing about Wendy, let’s talk about Wendy. You know that you have to help me get her to do this. So that we get to talk about you. Let’s talk about Wendy and how amazing she is. What is it about you two, what’s going on there?
Lisa Coleman 41:33
You know, she’s just one of those people that I love that is like uncontrollably creative. Now you get her in the studio, and she can play anything, you know, and even if she can’t play it, she’ll try. You know, it’s like, oh, trombone sure, give me that thing. Oh, wow. You know, she might come up with something really cool. And, you know, she’s just like that, and she, she just has this kinetic energy. You know, she’s just like, bouncing all over the place. And so I’m kind of the, the opposite, I’m more like, a flow, like a, like just a constant flow that kind of flows around. You know, and I take in all this creative stuff, and, and then I can kind of like, spit it back out, you know, smooth the edges. So when we work together, like we’ve produced each other, you know, like, she gets me to put out my best stuff. And I take her best stuff and kind of show her what it is. Because she’ll run right over. And I have to say, stop right there. That’s it. That’s it. Quick record that. So we make a good team. I mean, mostly because we love what the other one does. So much. Has it always been that way? Or is it something that is just like over time? It just was it is something that from the beginning, it was like that? Yeah, I think it was pretty instant. Because we knew each other for so long. We knew each as kids. And we weren’t playing music together. So we kind of knew the other’s personality. And so when things started changing, and we’re getting older, and then we fell in love with each other, and then what
Eitan Chitayat 43:25
At what age was that?
Lisa Coleman 43:27
She was probably, I don’t know, 18, 17 or 18. And I was 21, 22, something like that. So I’m a bit older than her just a little bit. So yeah, I think our dynamic was already established kind of before we started playing music together.
Eitan Chitayat 43:54
How do you maintain that? Like, I work with my wife, as you know, you know, we run our branding agency together, and it’s not easy. What’s not easy about working with Wendy, and I know that whatever you say it’s with respect and love, but like what’s not easy? Because it’s not easy to like, what do you fight about? Like, I want to know, like, what, that’s just because I go through it, I guess.
Lisa Coleman 44:18
Yeah. Well, sometimes it is like, it’s the blessing and the curse, like she, she does move so fast sometimes that I have to say, Wait, you know, I’m not, I’m not down with where you’re going right now, or she’ll go and call a musician in or something like that, or just wait, what are you doing? You know, so she’s very fast. And that gets to be difficult. You know, and the other thing is like, when you’re in love with somebody, it’s a little bit dangerous working together because you can be affected by even just the slightest look that they give you. And they might not even be aware that they just gave you a look, you know? And then you’re like, Oh my God, why did she look at me that way? Things start, like spinning out inside and then you know, and then later on it comes out and like, what the fuck no.
Eitan Chitayat 45:18
Tell me about it. Every day, every day, every day.
Lisa Coleman 45:23
So I know what that’s about. But the good news is, for us, at least, for Wendy and I, it hasn’t been a deal breaker. You know, it’s like that there’s this base of love and commitment that we know we can fight, and it’s not going to be the end of it. There’s always going to be a resolution. At least so far there has been.
Eitan Chitayat 45:50
It’s interesting, because I was going to ask you about what’s the magic between you guys, but I think that’s a big part of it, like knowing what you just said that there’s going to be a resolution. It’s like, we kind of like we’re in this together. And it’s kind of a decision that you’ve both made. Clearly it is and this respect that you have for each other. I want to ask you about music, actually about music today. I don’t know what your musical tastes are today. I’ve got two young boys. I’ve got a seven year old and a nine year old and they’re discovering music. And I can tell you that there’s very little new stuff that we play for them. And I don’t think it’s because we’re not open to new stuff. I think it’s because we just struggled to find stuff that really is, to us, anyway, really good music. What do you think of? And this is a very big question. So I answered how you want but like, how do you feel about music today? Because I don’t know about you, but I struggle.
Lisa Coleman 46:43
I think it’s struggle worthy. I do. I think that it’s hard to find the music for you. You know, this popular music has always been a little bit fluffy. And the things you hear on the radio, maybe you hear a good song every once in a while, and it’s worth checking out an album, but for the most part, not really. So you really have to go and search and find things on your own. And there’s like a little middle stratosphere of bands that you can kind of or solo artists that you can discover, but you really have to put your boots on and go, you know.
Eitan Chitayat 47:25
So who are you listening to kind of like more contemporary music, contemporary artists that you like.
Lisa Coleman 47:32
You know, the funny thing is like, I like things like Adele.
Eitan Chitayat 47:39
Yeah. How can you not like her though, she’s amazing?
Lisa Coleman 47:42
Yeah, I mean, it’s like, everybody likes that. And she’s so immediate, and such a good singer. And, you know, so that’s pretty easy. And she’s new and that’s promising. I think. Her albums are good. But I don’t know, like when it comes to like, cause I I’m interested to hear more. Like, where’s the funky stuff? You know? I mean, there’s like Steve Lacey or Anderson Pack. I like. He’s really good. And he does some interesting stuff. But again, it’s, you really have to search it out. Like to find these things. I don’t know. I can’t even think.
Eitan Chitayat 48:25
Yeah, I struggle with it as well. I mean, like, it’s like, I can’t even think like, I was in hospital around just over a year ago. When I came out of hospital. I saw an album cover. I don’t remember where it was. But it was JP Saxe. And it was Dangerous Levels of Introspection. He is an artist that really, you know, his music really spoke to me. It was like, wow. I’ve been listening to a lot of um, you’re gonna laugh but like Liam Gallagher. I love Oasis. I think they’re great. They’re a great band. And he’s put out a couple of good kind of like rock pop albums. And he’s interesting. He’s an interesting character. Which I also find is really missing in music today, like interesting people, people who have something I don’t know to say. But I find myself listening to a lot of old stuff. Like I’m listening to Harry Belafonte. I’m listening to Otis Redding and listening to Sam Cook. Dina, you know, she loves Hair. You know, she likes listening to like old musicals and stuff. So the kids are learning. And then of course, they’re listening to a lot of funk, they’re listening to a lot of James Brown and Prince. They’re listening to Michael Jackson. They’re listening to but it’s old, but not a lot of new stuff.
Lisa Coleman 49:43
I know. I mean, I wonder what’s going on because you’re right? It’s like not even like the personalities of people aren’t. Like we mentioned Adele at least she’s got a personality and we kind of get an idea of who she is.
Eitan Chitayat 49:58
I mean, there’s the music and then there’s the person and the music is sublime. It’s incredible. It’s phenomenal. Her voice and her albums are beautifully produced. But yeah, she’s, she’s an authentic human being and you think about Liam Gallagher, you know, or even his brother Noel who’s also you know, super talented and everything but like they’re authentic, you know, they have something to say, and I really feel that that’s missing right now. Like I miss artists that that bring something more than the music, you know, I don’t want to go back to Prince and that’s what I miss about Prince, but that’s what I miss about Prince. And that’s what I’ve always liked about Prince even when he was a little bit older, you know that he was for better for worse. This is just like, this is an interesting human being he’s got something to say.
Lisa Coleman 50:37
Yeah, I agree. It’s, I don’t know. I don’t know who’s doing that now. I don’t see it.
Eitan Chitayat 50:44
Really? Oh, man. I was hoping that you’d give me like a whole list of people that were so I was like, Lisa’s gonna give me hope.
Lisa Coleman 50:56
No, I don’t know. Wendy might have a good clue because she’s always mining for gold. She listens to everything. And she turns me on to things from time to time. So she’s a good resource, you’ll have to get her.
Eitan Chitayat 51:09
Okay. I will get what I did not get from you. I will get hope from her and not despair. This is something that I wanted to ask you, which is always an interesting one. But like, what is something that you are absolutely a mate like you’re amazing at and that not a lot of people know about except for the people that know you? Like, what do you like really, really good at that? Not a lot of people know. It doesn’t have to be professional, by the way. I’ve had people say, really weird things.
Lisa Coleman 51:40
tOkay. I’m a sharpshooter. I like I hate guns. And I don’t want them around me and make me really feel about negative feelings. But put one in my hand.
Eitan Chitayat 51:57
Are you serious? Like you’re a sniper, you can like you go to the shooting range and you shoot?
Lisa Coleman 52:01
Eitan Chitayat 52:02
That’s great. What’s wrong with that? I mean, like, as long as you’re not shooting people, that’s amazing. .
Lisa Coleman 52:07
Yes, I don’t want to shoot any people.
Eitan Chitayat 52:08
No, no people shooting please. Thank you. But like you, you go to the range and you shoot?
Lisa Coleman 52:13
But I have and yeah, and I’m like a sharp shooter. I could be like American Sniper. It’s so ironic because I am such the big, you know, anti gun. You know, I’ve always had like gun control stickers on my cases and stuff for years and years. And people call me a pussy and everything. And I’m like, oh, yeah, well. Watch out.
Eitan Chitayat 52:41
So I think that’s probably the most just knowing you as well, that is the most surprised that’s like completely on the other end of the spectrum of Lisa. How did you even get to that?
Lisa Coleman 52:51
Well, because I had a manager once and he was really a scary guy. And he had a gun in his trunk. And that made me upset kind of like why are you carrying a gun around in your car? And what’s up with that? And he said guns are great. I’ll take you girls to the firing range. It was me and Wendy. So we went to the firing range. And it’s it’s like a bottle of anxiety attack in there. Like, it’s such a weird place. I mean, you you probably know about guns being Israeli?
Eitan Chitayat 53:22
Yes, we have a lot of but we don’t have the problems that you have. I mean, we have guns here because we have a lot of people unfortunately trying to kill us. But we don’t have what you have in America, which is just bonkers and insane. Like we have a conflict problem here. You know, there’s a bit of a war like situation a conflict situation here between two peoples, which is very complicated, which we won’t get into. But in terms of the Israeli population, or the Arab Israeli population here in Israel, we don’t have that issue that you guys have. Or can you just explain to someone who is not an American? What the fuck is going on in America with with the guns.
Lisa Coleman 54:04
It’s horrible. It’s the Wild West. And it’s such ignorance and pompous, well, like I said, I mean, I’m a big anti gun person. And here right now is horrible, and it’s getting worse because our government doesn’t want to do anything about it. And the NRA is so powerful here. The propaganda is coming out quick, quick, quick. You know, there’s all these stories now about mass shootings. Like yesterday, there was another mass shooter guy at a mall, and the citizen shot him. So now it’s like, the law is in the hands of the people. People are just, you know, I’m gonna, you know, the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. And so everyone now wants to be a good guy with a gun. And I don’t know.
Eitan Chitayat 54:05
It’s really scary, we’re actually working, you know, because, you know, we’re, you know, the branding agency, there’s, a company that we’re working with that is, so you know, you have CCTVs, you know, like outside schools and places of worship, embassies. So this is a technology that works with those existing cameras that if someone is walking by, and they take out a weapon, as they’re taking it out, the technology recognizes that a weapon has been seen. And then people can take cover people, can they have a window of opportunity, the time to shut down the gates, close the doors, everyone goes into there. But that’s not a way to live. I mean, that’s a preventative measure, but like, yeah, it’s it’s really hard to see what’s going on in the States.
Lisa Coleman 55:52
I can’t imagine what it looks like from outside of the States because, I mean, man, it looks sloppy. And like, we don’t care.
Eitan Chitayat 56:00
Look, America is going through a lot of issues. And I don’t think it’s a Democrat, Republican. I don’t think it’s a red blue. I mean, I just think I mean, that’s the convenient conversation always, you know, but but I think there’s just a real division and there’s a lack of leadership and it’s about religion. It’s about the right to give birth, it’s guns, it’s a lot you guys are going through a lot. I don’t think it’s sloppy. Or health care, you know, like here in Israel, you know, everyone has, I didn’t tell you this, but my dad’s in hospital right now.
Lisa Coleman 56:32
Oh, I’m sorry.
Eitan Chitayat 56:33
Thank you. Um, he’s, he’s got healthcare. You know, we all have healthcare here. It’s not really a question. So it’s hard to blame a party because this is the way that it’s been for so many decades on so many things, but there’s a real division in America. And it’s scary. It because if America is divided, do you really feel it? You really feel it in the world.
Lisa Coleman 56:57
Well, it’s not very fun to be here right now.
Eitan Chitayat 57:02
Yeah. Do you feel it like in your everyday life? Or?
Lisa Coleman 57:05
Yeah, definitely. I mean, people, you know, me included, now with all the guns, you start getting paranoid going to events and things like that and going to a concert. I went to the Hollywood Bowl the other night with my daughter, and, you know, it crossed my mind, I looked over the crowd. And I’m like, wondering, you know, what would we do? How would we, you know, how could I keep her safe if something happened? You know, and meanwhile, we’re wearing our masks and trying to stay safe from COVID. And, you know, it’s just these piles and piles of things. It does, it interrupts your everyday life. Because, you know, even my daughter, she thinks about it, too. You know, she’s 15. And I can’t imagine, you know, luckily, she goes to private school, and it’s an all girls school. So we’re not too worried about a shooter there, but it could still happen. I mean, they have drills, and it’s unbelievable. Training children what to do in an active shooter situation. Yeah. And we’re not at war. This is freedom we’re talking about.
Eitan Chitayat 58:21
That’s the thing, because as an Israeli, I’m listening to you and, you know, missiles were coming down a year ago, and there’s terrorism here and in this conflict, but yeah, this is in your country, where there is no war. It’s frustrating because you want someone to figure it out already. How difficult can it be to just.. ah, man. It’s tough. But I have hope. Do you have hope?
Lisa Coleman 58:48
I have hope. I think it’s gonna take a long time. But I have hope. But I am also looking at property in Canada.
Eitan Chitayat 58:57
You are, are you really?
Lisa Coleman 58:59
Eitan Chitayat 59:00
Why Canada? Seriously.
Lisa Coleman 59:03
Canada’s close, and I could still kind of work and, you know, not be too far from you know, if I had to go to New York for a session or, you know, something like that.
Eitan Chitayat 59:14
Do you like Canada?
Lisa Coleman 59:15
Canada is nice. It’s, it’s like the states in the 70s. So it would be like returning to my childhood.
Eitan Chitayat 59:25
I have friends but I also have family in Calgary. And they love it. They’ve lived there for 40 years now.
Lisa Coleman 59:33
Yeah, I have a couple of friends moved to Toronto recently as well. They love it.
Eitan Chitayat 59:39
Have you been there? Have you been to Toronto?
Lisa Coleman 59:41
I’ve been there. Yeah, it’s beautiful.
Eitan Chitayat 59:43
I look at you and I think okay, LA you know, but, could you live somewhere else?
Lisa Coleman 59:48
I mean, I don’t know, I have and I always return. So it’s hard for me to say that I leave forever because I am. I’m an LA Girl. It’s the easiest place in the world live. It really is. Unless you’re worried about people hating you. That’s gonna be anywhere in the States now.
Eitan Chitayat 1:00:11
Funny, I was telling my wife that I really want to go to LA. And she goes, why? And I said, because I really want to, I really want to give Lisa a hug. We haven’t talked about how we met, by the way, but like, maybe maybe we should. Well, the first time we met actually was at the Town and Country Club in London, because I came to your gig. And I was in the first row with a mate of mine, but we didn’t meet, of course, but Wendy was playing her guitar, and I don’t know if she does this, but like, you know, sometimes when you’re playing, I guess, you kind of like focus on a person. And so I was that person, the whole show for Wendy. And I actually, I waited outside, and I met you guys outside. And I gave you guys notes. But we actually met when I started playing Words with Friends. And somehow I don’t know how it happened. But you and I started playing together. And then we became pen pals, because you can chat on that. And we were talking for I think it was like around 10 years, something like that. And then finally, I was like, Okay, we should talk because I want to do something. I’ve written something with a friend and I want you to score the music for it. And you were like, Yeah, and I think that was the was that the first time we ever spoke?
Lisa Coleman 1:01:23
That’s so crazy.
Eitan Chitayat 1:01:24
Is it nuts?
Lisa Coleman 1:01:27
I mean, that’s why I can’t remember how we met because it just seems like I knew you. And now all of a sudden, there we were.
Eitan Chitayat 1:01:34
I was a slow burn. But like it was it was playing Words with Friends. It’s playing,it’s basically Scrabble with a chat, and we would chat and chat and chat. And we would leave each other massive messages like paragraphs. And every day, when my first was born, you scored a little piece of music for him. And I did a little video which I’m going to dig up and I’m going to send it to you. Anyway. That’s how we know each other. It’s more nuts for me than it is for you because you didn’t grow up knowing who I wasn’t listening to anything was seeing anything that I had ever done. But I grew up with you guys in my ears.
Lisa Coleman 1:02:20
Yeah, that it’s kind of weird.
Eitan Chitayat 1:02:22
Yeah, it’s it? Is it weird for you? Like, I don’t consider myself just a fan of yours because we become we become mates. Yeah, but like, but how does it feel for you with fans? Is that weird?
Lisa Coleman 1:02:35
It is weird. Because it especially now because it’s been some time, you know, I’m not in the public all the time, you know, getting applause and things like that. So it’s, it’s fun. I mean, it’s really fun. And I think it’s, I think it’s lovely. I really do. And it’s a part of me that, you know, I mean, obviously, they’re a fan of something in their mind that has lived with them for a while and they’ve made it this thing, and I just represent that, you know, so I’m happy to just reflect that back. And like, you know, I want to respect that and I want to I don’t want them to meet me or something and go ew she was really rude or, or she was really stoned. Or…
Eitan Chitayat 1:03:25
I can’t imagine you being rude or not just lovely and delightful. I mean, I’m not saying this to score points or anything, but you seem to be just like really nice.
Lisa Coleman 1:03:36
I think I am just a regular girl.
Eitan Chitayat 1:03:39
You definitely not regular. Sorry. No, you’re not just. There’s you’ve got the kind of quirky, beautiful, you know, I don’t know.
Lisa Coleman 1:03:50
All right, I can take that.
Eitan Chitayat 1:03:52
Oh, yeah. What would you say that you’re regular?
Lisa Coleman 1:03:54
To me, I’m regular. Because I was born this way. So I don’t know anything different.
Eitan Chitayat 1:04:00
That’s true. I mean, I guess we could all say that. But like, I don’t know, there’s something about you.
Lisa Coleman 1:04:06
I got an interesting life.
Eitan Chitayat 1:04:08
I have to ask you one last question. I think it is the first podcast that I’ve ever done, where I don’t open up with the question that I always open up with. So I think we’re going to try and end on this but it might open it up again. I always ask the question, all you need to do really is to complete the sentence, which is Lisa Coleman, please complete the sentence. I’m that…
Lisa Coleman 1:04:32
I’m that musician. And I’m that musician because I am so much like all musicians that you would ever meet. All they want to do is music, music, music, and I stay up too late. And I have relationship issues and I’m playful and creative. And I don’t want to be that female musician. I want to be that musician. Sound good?
Eitan Chitayat 1:05:08
Lisa Coleman 1:05:10
It is true. I came from a family of musicians. And so I’m just one nut in the bunch.
Eitan Chitayat 1:05:18
Is it still the same for you, music? Like, is that just like a constant? Or does music and what music is for you in your life, has that evolved or changed? Or is it still just like the same kind of thing that it always was for you, which is like, whatever that is, if that question even makes sense?
Lisa Coleman 1:05:39
It makes sense. But the thing about it is that part of what it is, for me, is something that always grows, that constantly can give me something new, that every time I go back to the piano and sit there and just open myself up something new happens every time. And I think that that can happen for the rest of my life. And there’s nothing like it. There’s just nothing like it, it’s the most soothing, it’s the most invigorating, and it has promise, always, I can always get better, I can always learn more, I can always write something, something new.
Eitan Chitayat 1:06:23
You know what I envy about musicians, and I do this for a living with people in my business, which is a creative business. And we’ve worked together before and we collaborated. So there’s always the creative collaboration. And I do that on, I do that for a living. But as a musician, you collaborate in the moment, and I can’t even begin as a non musician, I can’t begin to imagine what that’s like to be so connected, and have to be so on the same beat. You know, you’re in time together, and I envy you. Because I imagined that when it works, when it works. I mean, of course it works. It works for you all the time. Otherwise, you know, you’d be a lousy fucking musician, you know, but like, how does that? Do you ever just stop and just be like, Whoa!
Lisa Coleman 1:07:09
Yeah, it’s like, I can only imagine that it’s something like being a whirling dervish, where you just are so I don’t know, it’s like you leave your body. Your body is just doing this thing. And there have been times when I’ve been jamming and I and I have this experience where I get almost hysterical, you know, I feel like that all this emotion comes welling up and, and I feel like laughing or crying and like, it’s, I don’t know, it’s like really reaching nirvana or something. I can’t explain what it is. But it is that hysteria that music gives me a lot of the time. Like when I was thinking I was eight years old, and my mother sat me down to listen to Mozart’s Jupiter symphony. And when it was over, I told my mom, it makes me feel like laughing and crying at the same time. And that was kind of the first time I really distilled that feeling. And understood, wow, this is music. This is like magic and what it does to your feelings and even like, the visuals in your mind when you’re listening, and if I don’t know, it’s just a beautiful experience.
Eitan Chitayat 1:07:27
How does it feel to come to come back to reality?
Lisa Coleman 1:08:33
It feels okay, because you know, it’s positivity. It’s this otherworldly experience that you get to have while you’re here on Earth.
Eitan Chitayat 1:08:44
It’s an amazing, amazing thing. So do you, are you still jamming? Do you still?
Lisa Coleman 1:08:48
Oh, yeah, whenever I can. Absolutely.
Eitan Chitayat 1:08:51
So what do you do? Just go to hang out with people and just jam with them with no agenda?
Lisa Coleman 1:08:55
Yeah, just you know, okay, somebody start playing something.
Eitan Chitayat 1:09:01
Okay, I’ve got to come to LA to one of these sessions, and I’ll pick up a tambourine or something. I think I think I can handle the tambourine or some something,
Lisa Coleman 1:09:09
You have to dance.
Eitan Chitayat 1:09:10
Oh, I’ll dance. I’ll do the whole neck thing. I’ll be like, I’ll be moving.I can’t not when I’m feeling something. So I’ll ask you one more question. If you could do everything, all again, is there anything that you would change?
Lisa Coleman 1:09:26
No, no, I think my life other than losing people that have been close to me, you know, if there was anything I could do about that I would. But no, I’ve had the most incredible life, even with the hardness. I wouldn’t change anything.
Eitan Chitayat 1:09:44
If you could decide what’s next for you. Like you can make a decision, you could stick with it and you could commit to it and you could control it, what would be next?
Lisa Coleman 1:09:51
Well after The Hospital, which I’m really excited about, as you can tell, I would say making an album with Wendy and doing some gigs. I think it’s it’s been some time since we’ve played and I think I’d really like to do that with Wendy again.
Eitan Chitayat 1:10:10
Well, that is gonna sound so cheesy what I’m about to say now but like, and I didn’t plan this but that is literally music to my ears. Nothing would make me happier. Lisa, I love you. I miss you. I’ve never hugged you. But I’m hugging you so big time right now. Just thank you so much for spending some time with me. I really appreciate it.
Lisa Coleman 1:10:30
It’s been my pleasure. And I can’t believe we have never hugged. I swear I can feel your arms around me.
Eitan Chitayat 1:10:37
It’s going to happen soon. I’m going to come to LA. And I’m going to come and I’m going to meet you. But I want you to also come here. I want you to come to Tel Aviv with Wendy.
Lisa Coleman 1:10:44
Absolutely, I would love to….all right.